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Introduction

This page is devoted to the BARNES ancestors of my father - the origins of the name, who they were and where and when they lived.

These first three apparently separate counties in the title above are combined on this page, because my Barnes ancestors in the area lived in the parts of Middlesex and Surrey which were incorporated into the new London County Council when it was created in 1889. Sussex is added because one of them moved there later in life.

The genealogical data in these pages is accurate to the best of my current (at the time of writing) knowledge. This means it is of very variable reliability, since sources at one extreme are 100% certain (e.g. I know who I married, where and when, and the identity of my parents) to the mere rumour level, such as LDS data extracted from the IGI and Ancestral File, and reminiscences of elderly relatives, some now deceased. Anyone wishing to make any use whatever of this information is therefore strongly advised to contact me for source details.

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Origins of the name

The surname Barnes has originated from a number of possible sources. Most commonly in England, it is an occupational name from someone who worked or lived at a barn, or ( a variation of that) came from the place Barnes in Surrey, itself coming from the same source. Secondly, it sometimes was given to the son or servant of a barne, who was a member of the upper classes in the early mediæval period. There is also an Irish source, an Anglicised form of the Gaelic Ó Bearáin, which means "descendant of Bearán". There is also a possible derivation from the Jewish name Parnes.

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Variants of the name

The first two origins give rise to the variants Barne and Barns, the third to Barrington and the last to Barness.

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Martha Jane Barnes (1880-1922)
Martha Jane Barnes My paternal grandmother removed her thick glasses (which she hated) for this studio photo (42,679 bytes).

Martha Jane Fisher (née Barnes) with two children In this informal photo (63,972 bytes) she is standing outside the cottage at Coate with her two oldest children, in about 1910.

 

 

 

84 and 85 Albion Street She was born at 61 Kinglake Street, Walworth, Surrey (a side road off Old Kent Road) on 14th May 1880. On 30th June 1906 she married her cousin Joseph FISHER at Chiseldon parish church, Wiltshire, giving her address at that time as Coate, Chiseldon. She lived in the cottage at Coate until it was destroyed by fire in 1916, when the family moved to 98 Albion Street, Swindon, followed at some time between autumn 1919 and autumn 1920 by a move along the road to 84 Albion Street (shown in the photo). She and her husband remained at this address for the remainder of their lives.

The marriage resulted in the birth of four children. First was Elsie, born 27th March 1907 (later married and moved to Thetford, Norfolk), then Harry (my father), born 24th May 1908 and third the mystery woman, Doris. Doris appears on one photograph of the three children together, clearly several years younger than my father, but I have been unable so far to trace her birth. A family friend tells me she was in the same school class as her, but she lost contact when they left school. I believe she later married and moved to Bury St. Edmunds in Suffolk, but this is uncertain. Fourth, born in 1921, was Edwin (known as Ted).

In 1922, only ten months after the birth of Edwin, she died, and was buried in Radnor Street Cemetery, Swindon, in an unmarked grave.

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John Barnes (1848-?)
John Barnes My great grandfather was born at 3 Frederic Place, Newington on 19th July 1848, according to his birth certificate.

On 10th June 1872 he married Maria FISHER at St. Mark's Parish Church, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, giving his address at the time as Warner Street, which is located not far away. He is described on the marriage certificate as a joiner, which is compatible with the 1881 census description of him as a carpenter.

The marriage resulted in the birth of 13 children, but I do not know all their names and even fewer ages. The 1881 census lists Emma (age 7, born Islington), John (age 4, born Islington) and Martha J. (age 10 months, born Newington). Names of some other children were Anne (born 19th June 1881), Joseph (born 12th October 1882), Edward (born 21 December 1883), Harry, Maria, Tom and Daisy (one of my informants, born 1892). The family were living at 61 Kinglake Street, Walworth, Surrey at the time of the 1881 census, but later by July 1892 had moved to 6 Herring Street, Camberwell.

The details on the 1881 census record illustrate clearly the complex local government structure at that time (or at least some of it). It gives the following details for the house:

John later moved to Bury, near Arundel in Sussex, where he lived with his daughter Anne and her husband, and where the photo of him was taken in 1935. He died at Budgenor Lodge, Easebourne, Sussex 30th May 1944.

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Edward Thomas Barnes
According to my great grandfather's marriage certificate, his father was Edward Thomas Barnes, a joiner, although his birth certificate omits the middle name, giving the father as simply Edward Barnes, a carpenter. Edward, or Edward Thomas, was christened at St. Pancras parish church (then in Middlesex) on 20th May 1821 and married Ann Susannah BUGLE.

By the time of their son John's birth they were living at 3 Frederic Place, Newington.

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Thomas Barnes
The parents of Edward Thomas Barnes were Thomas Barnes and Ann (née Barns). They married at Christchurch, Greyfriars, Newgate Street, London on 1st June 1817.

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Daisy Barnes
Daisy Barnes was one of the youngest, perhaps the youngest, of John Barnes's large family. She told me, when I visited her at her Manchester home in 19??, that she spent a little time at Coate, near Swindon, to help out at the time of her sister Martha giving birth to a baby - further discussion revealed that the baby in question was my father. She became involved because she was at the time living locally, with her married brother Joseph in Swindon.

I had met her a couple of times when I was a boy, when she visited our home in Swindon, but remember very little of what she was then like. By that time (late 1940s) she was living in Manchester.

Maria Barnes
Maria Barnes was another of the siblings of my paternal grandmother. Where she fitted into the family age structure I do not know. During World War 1 she was a nurse, and in the course of her duties was called upon to treat an injured soldier, "Bert" Hermon, who had lost both eyes. They later married, and by the time of World War 2 were living in the small town of Watlington, in Oxfordshire. I remember as a child being fascinated by the fact that my great uncle could take both his (glass) eyes from their sockets and hold them in his hands!

The couple had two daughters, one of whom married before 1945 and emigrated to Canada. The younger daughter also married and is still living in Watlington.

I remember being taken, with my brother, for holidays there during World War 2. The house then had limited facilities. For example, there was no mains water, but instead a hand pump over the kitchen sink was used to raise water from a private well beneath the house. The house is still in use, but has been modernised and extended to a high standard of comfort.

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Acknowledgement

My thanks to my second cousin Derek Johnson (also descended from John Barnes and Maria Fisher) for providing much of the earlier information and some of that about John Barnes and some of his descendants.

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